New System

[(S.M.R) 101]

Alright guys I think I got it this time..

This is what i'm doing.. Let me know your thoughts.

the set up will be 1 12" sub in a fox box

this is the sub I'm thinking

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_4010_JL-Audio-12W6v2-D4.html

and the box

http://www.foxacoustics.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=DQC%2D112%2DS

This was the amp I was thinking of

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_26845_JL-Audio-XD600-1.html

I already orderd the box because Fox often just runs out of boxes and then they don't have anymore for awhile lol..

System guru's what do you think.

[myoung84]

I think it's going to sound awesome!

[(S.M.R) 101]

Yeah dude this thing is going to pound! I can't wait.. My brother has 2 JL 12w7 and them things pound so hard man.. I think 1 will be over doing it for me but a lot of people say that this sub is awesome for hard rock / metal.. and will beat the block down with rap or bass music..

[0212353]

shit, he has 12" sealed in stock? No offense to Morgan (I have his fiberglass one in mine now) - but a sealed 12 fox makes me stiff....

[ramthis9501]

Can't wait to see it all set up!

[Matt]

will it even fit? the magnets on those things are kinda big ....

[Matt]

sub
Recommended Enclosure Specifications
Recommended Enclosure Type Ported / Vented
Sealed
Minimum Sealed Box Volume 1.25 cubic feet
Maximum Sealed Box Volume 1.25 cubic feet
Minimum Ported Box Volume 1.5 cubic feet
Maximum Ported Box Volume 1.5 cubic feet
Top-Mount Depth 7.6"

box
MOUNTING DEPTH: 7.25" W/ 6.5 INCH DIAMETER MAGNET
SUBS WITH LARGE OVER SIZED FRAMES MAY NOT FIT.

sub is too deep ... on top of that the basket and the magnet are both fairly wide compared to standard subs

[(S.M.R) 101]

The dudes at fox acoustics recommended that JL for that box. I talked with them on the phone for a little bit and asked what was the best sub to put in there and they said that one.

[myoung84]

shit, he has 12" sealed in stock? No offense to Morgan (I have his fiberglass one in mine now) - but a sealed 12 fox makes me stiff....

I wouldn't mind stepping up to a 12" sealed box myself... It's really hard to beat a fox box.

[Matt]

The dudes at fox acoustics recommended that JL for that box. I talked with them on the phone for a little bit and asked what was the best sub to put in there and they said that one.

i don't know why you are yelling at me lol i'm just giving you the specs i know it's a bigger basket sub so thats why i was curious if they say it'll fit they should know .. guess their numbers are in-correct

[BMRbrnSNRbrd]

I really need to get into this again...

[Matt]

Well let me know dave if you need any help ...

[BMRbrnSNRbrd]

Sure, a blank check would help a lot!

[(S.M.R) 101]

i don't know why you are yelling at me lol i'm just giving you the specs i know it's a bigger basket sub so thats why i was curious if they say it'll fit they should know .. guess their numbers are in-correct

I was not yelling dude lol. I was just saying that the guys told me that that sub was a good sub to mount in there.

I'll double check with them again before I buy the sub.

[(S.M.R) 101]

This was what they told me and can also be found on the site

OUR MOUNTING DEPTH AND MAGNET SIZE IS LISTED SLIGHTLY SMALLER THAN IT ACTUALLY IS TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE.
SUBS WITH LARGE BULKY CAST FRAMES MAY NOT FIT.


Here are the recommended subs for the 12" subs
Recommended subs for this box.
ALPINE TYPE R, SWR 1223 or SWR 1243
JL Audio 12w6 v2
Punch P3
Kicker CVX 12

I'm calling them again tomorrow to check again.

[(S.M.R) 101]

Same sub i'm buying in this picture with the same box..
http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x355/Kyle_Andress/DQC-112-S-4.jpg



Think i'm good to go!! Hells yeah :D

[ramthis9501]

Sweet! Get it ordered! Lol

[(S.M.R) 101]

just finished placing my orders for the sub and amp :D

[(S.M.R) 101]

$650 bucks later........ this shit better sound good lol

Christmas gift to myself haha

[ramthis9501]

Sweetness!

[OklaHemi]

hell yeah. stereo upgrades are my second favorite thing to do right after wheels

[(S.M.R) 101]

Welp I stand corrected.. I just got an email from a guy at Fox and he told me that the JL would not fit in the box I ordered.

He mentioned something about spacers need for that sub to fit? Thank god they had not sent the sub yet. I was able to cancel the order.

So now my search continues for a sub...... That sucks dudes I really wanted that JL W6

[(S.M.R) 101]

Anyone ever heard one of these or ever had one?? I still plan on running the JL amp

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_24187_Alpine-SWR-1243D.html

[(S.M.R) 101]

and I think I know why my amp was heating up.. that amp is 600 watt RMS and the alpines I have now are only rated for 250 watt RMS..

That would cause the amp to heat up huh?

[Matt]

yes solid sub but i def prefer the jl .. run the spacers you'll be fine

[Matt]

and I think I know why my amp was heating up.. that amp is 600 watt RMS and the alpines I have now are only rated for 250 watt RMS..

That would cause the amp to heat up huh?

no that doesn't have anything to do with it

[Matt]

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_22589_Rockford-Fosgate-T1D412.html you might ask them about these .. i have one these they are very nice lol they fit the depth you're looking for/ they come with a VERY slick looking grille that will allow the sub to push into the underside of the backseat and not put any pressure on the actual sub/ the only thing i worry about is the basket is kind of over-sized but they might fit .... i can compare one of these to a cvx tomorrow which they say will fit

[(S.M.R) 101]

What are the spacers?

[Matt]

spacers i'm sure are just a spacer that is going to go between the sub and the box to raise it up 1/2" or 3/4" of an inch or whatever that is needed... only problem is that it also moves it closer to the seat and will probably rub on the bottom of the seat .. with the jl's they have foam surrounds so you'll see rub marks start and could possibly rub a hole in the surround bc of the friction .. but i'm just spitballing what ifs bc i don't have the sub/box to see if it'll hit and how bad ... but it's a likely option or they would've just make the box deeper to begin with

[(S.M.R) 101]

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_22589_Rockford-Fosgate-T1D412.html you might ask them about these .. i have one these they are very nice lol they fit the depth you're looking for/ they come with a VERY slick looking grille that will allow the sub to push into the underside of the backseat and not put any pressure on the actual sub/ the only thing i worry about is the basket is kind of over-sized but they might fit .... i can compare one of these to a cvx tomorrow which they say will fit

That's a pretty good sub huh? I have never done anything with rockford only kicker, alpine, memphis audio, and JL

Looks like a pretty stout sub

[(S.M.R) 101]

Yeah I don't want to get anything that in the long run will end up messing up the sub.. this is that last ditch effort on the system.. What I buy now will stay for awhile

[Matt]

ya its a very beefy sub and will take much more power than that 600 if you wanted to upgrade ... it would easily take 1k

[BMRbrnSNRbrd]

And Matt would know as he's got an audio addiction problem...I've seen the picture of his "stash."

[(S.M.R) 101]

Haha no doubt dude

[(S.M.R) 101]

I think i'm going to go with the type R.. I just don't want to have to screw around what that rockford if the basket is to bulky to fit in the box..

Should I go with the 2ohm or 4ohm sub? what the hells the difference?

[(S.M.R) 101]

Ok i'm switching the amp.. to this

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_26279_Alpine-PDX-M6.html

[myoung84]

The Type R's are dual voice coil, so if you are running a single sub off a mono block amp, you'll need a 4 ohm DVC sub. I am running a 10" Alpine Type R and am very pleased with it. That amp a will be a nice match. This is what you need:

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_24187_Alpine-SWR-1243D.html

[Matt]

I think i'm going to go with the type R.. I just don't want to have to screw around what that rockford if the basket is to bulky to fit in the box..

Should I go with the 2ohm or 4ohm sub? what the hells the difference?

just realize you are stepping way down from the RF or the JL ... i can understand just wanting to do it easy but there is a huge upgrade to the other subs, just know that before buying i've ran 2 of the type r alpine 10's in my truck so i know specifically about these subs



ohm is a measure of impedance there isn't one better than the other its just a way to maximize a wider range of amplifiers so for your amp morgan is right you'll want a dual 4 ohm sub (then when you get it wire the sub in parallel which means pos to pos and neg to neg on both coils the alpine has a jumper for this you'll see)

[(S.M.R) 101]

Thanks Morgan and Matt..

Matt I know it's a step fown from the JL or the rockford but i'm pretty sure that these will do what i'm looking for a lot of good reviews about running these while playing rock/metal.. and I don't want to have to deal with fitment issues.. I'm not looking for show comp audio just a better sound then what I have now.

Thank you again for your help and input dude I appreciate it

[(S.M.R) 101]

My new box and sub will be here FRIDAY!!!

[(S.M.R) 101]

My audio stuff came in!

http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x355/Kyle_Andress/IMG_1078.jpg

http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x355/Kyle_Andress/IMG_1079.jpg

http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x355/Kyle_Andress/IMG_1081.jpg

http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x355/Kyle_Andress/IMG_1082.jpg

[0212353]

nice

[ramthis9501]

Awesome dude!

[BMRbrnSNRbrd]

Should have sent it to my house.

[(S.M.R) 101]

^^ hahaha.. I have some 12's and a 1000 watt amp if you want it :D

I got it all hooked up and it sound amazing! It sounds like the 2 12's but more firm and the sound is smooth... it beats.. I just wish I could tune it better. I'm prolly going to take it to an audio shop and have it custom tuned when I get the new amp.

I'm telling you what, unbolting the seats was a bitch! that took forever

I'll get some day pictures tomorrow

[ramthis9501]

That was quick lol can't wait to see pics

[Matt]

just realized looking at that box that i've had one before lol i had 2 kicker L5 10s in my truck in one ... and the seat isn't that bad lol chevy's are way more of a bitch i've had mine out a dozen times or so lol

[(S.M.R) 101]

I just meant that the bolts did not want to go along with the program.. once I got them loose it was all gravy from there.

Here is a quick video.. Prolly sound better if you had computer speakers.... Or heard it in person lol..

http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x355/Kyle_Andress/th_MVI_1083.jpg (http://s1177.photobucket.com/albums/x355/Kyle_Andress/?action=view&current=MVI_1083.mp4)

Like I said I'll have pics tomorrow

[(S.M.R) 101]

Ohh.. and the amp has not overheated since I put the new sub in... I got about an hour of straight playing it and it got warm but not hot like it use too... Strange

Usually after about 20min of continous play it got so hot you could not touch it. and I always had to turn the bas all the way down.

[ramthis9501]

Those things hit pretty good! Congrats on the system!

[(S.M.R) 101]

Thanks dude lol.. I love it

[(S.M.R) 101]

Got my amp in today!

http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x355/Kyle_Andress/IMG_1085.jpg

I already have it hooked up... and this amp is what I hoped it would be :D sounds awesome

[OklaHemi]

those new alpines are sexy mfer's that is a nice set up you have now kyle. i think those seat bolts have thread lock on them hence the pita. i love my type-r's they handle all the abuse i give them just like a good wife

[(S.M.R) 101]

Love it... Sounds really good :D

[Matt]

Ohh.. and the amp has not overheated since I put the new sub in... I got about an hour of straight playing it and it got warm but not hot like it use too... Strange

Usually after about 20min of continous play it got so hot you could not touch it. and I always had to turn the bas all the way down.

i'm going to say you had the ohm load too low on the old amp and that's what was causing those issues ...

[(S.M.R) 101]

yeah I have no idea what the hell I did with that amp.. but this new one I got matches that sub perfect.. It's really clean and crisp and really pounds the lows.... well as good as it can in that box with the space provided.

[myoung84]

Glad you got everything up and running!

[OklaHemi]

that is awesome, a system is the bees knees in my book

[(S.M.R) 101]

Yeah dude I really like it... Sounds awesome I will prolly be upgrading all door speakers next.

[(S.M.R) 101]

So I got a score today!

Buddy of mine bought all new Alpine type S Doore speakers (front & back) with the intentions of doing up his sound but he ended up buying a new chally 2 days ago..... So he hooked me up with all 4 speakers for 75 bucks!

I got the 2 front doors done but it started sleeting and snowing so I had to stop. They sound really good.

Thanks Mike for the help today brotha

[ramthis9501]

Sweetness

[OklaHemi]

glad i could help. do you have a 4 channel? if not you are going to want one. i have the pdx-4.100 and i love it. then you can run all new speaker wire to the doors yea!

[(S.M.R) 101]

Na it's just a mono amp.. I might hook up another amp down the road if I don't buy another truck

[Matt]

glad i could help. do you have a 4 channel? if not you are going to want one. i have the pdx-4.100 and i love it. then you can run all new speaker wire to the doors yea!

and going through door boots which sucks lol and honestly it doesn't make an audible difference in any of them that i've done... so much so that i stopped doing it in my vehicles i just tap into the factory wiring

[OklaHemi]

it wasnt too bad and it made me feel better. the rear was a pita, the front took 20-30 mins maybe, and i had never done it. you may be right, it may not make an audible difference but if im going to spend money on the speakers, the amp, and the amp kit. I cant rationalize running a 4awg power wire, 4awg ground wire and running spliced 20-22 awg factory speaker wires. i dont know what the oem wires resistance is im sure it maybe more than enough to handle my 100w +/- per channel but i know for fact that my 16 gauge rf wire will handle it all and more. and yes i know that once a certain size wire is reached increasing the thickness further has no effect. but i dont know that size so i guessed, and it was good

[Matt]

it wasnt too bad and it made me feel better. the rear was a pita, the front took 20-30 mins maybe, and i had never done it. you may be right, it may not make an audible difference but if im going to spend money on the speakers, the amp, and the amp kit. I cant rationalize running a 4awg power wire, 4awg ground wire and running spliced 20-22 awg factory speaker wires. i dont know what the oem wires resistance is im sure it maybe more than enough to handle my 100w +/- per channel but i know for fact that my 16 gauge rf wire will handle it all and more. and yes i know that once a certain size wire is reached increasing the thickness further has no effect. but i dont know that size so i guessed, and it was good

yeah by no means am i criticizing you or saying you shouldn't have done it lol just for me i don't do it anymore for my rides or my customers most stock speaker wire is between 18-20 on newer cars and you're probably gaining a few extra watts to each speaker from lack of resistance so it's definitely not hurting anything and the best way to do it

i'm going to have to go through my boots when i do my door pods bc i'll be running 3 different stages of speakers 6 per front door total i can see that being all kinds of fun lol

[OklaHemi]

Now I cant wait to see that. I wonder if you could use an aftermarket boot of sorts and just drill a couple of 1/2"-3/4 " holes. I dont know if any one makes one but they should. Maybe 2 grommets and some flexible wire cover, it could look good.